To Pantene or Not to Pantene??

[mood4amelody]

I read the closed Pantene post and wanted to see if I could help out with the discussion. I went to beauty school, so I have a little bit of inside info for you.

I love Pantene, though not as much as the older formulas. (The first formula was pink, clear bottle, and totally fantastic!)

The drawbacks to Pantene, like most shampoos if you read the back, are just that the main ingrediant you are paying for is water. And, it contains alcohol as the second main ingredient.

The plus for Pantene is the amount of Panthenol. Panthenol is excellent for strength and repair.

When Pantene first came out in the 80's, and was only available to cosmetologists, it was loaded with Panthenol. Panthenol is a very costly ingredient though, so no one really has tons of it anymore.

So, tips would be to look for shampoos that don't list water as the main ingrediant (good luck finding that) and to look for panthenol a bit higher up in the list. Ingrediants are listed by largest amount first.

Hope this helps everyone to have a great and happy hair day!!

[bvanpeltsw]

I read the closed Pantene post and wanted to see if I could help out with the discussion. I went to beauty school, so I have a little bit of inside info for you.

I love Pantene, though not as much as the older formulas. (The first formula was pink, clear bottle, and totally fantastic!)

The drawbacks to Pantene, like most shampoos if you read the back, are just that the main ingrediant you are paying for is water. And, it contains alcohol as the second main ingredient.

The plus for Pantene is the amount of Panthenol. Panthenol is excellent for strength and repair.

When Pantene first came out in the 80's, and was only available to cosmetologists, it was loaded with Panthenol. Panthenol is a very costly ingredient though, so no one really has tons of it anymore.

So, tips would be to look for shampoos that don't list water as the main ingrediant (good luck finding that) and to look for panthenol a bit higher up in the list. Ingrediants are listed by largest amount first.

Hope this helps everyone to have a great and happy hair day!!

I love Pantene! My hair stylist told me it is one of the worst shampoos for my hair:eek:

[mood4amelody]

Your hair will let you know what is the worst thing for it. Mine always does!

If you tend to get build up from the conditioner, either just switch brands for a while or use a stripping shampoo (baby shampoo is excellent for that, dish soap if your desperate) on occasion to remove excess build up.

My stylist doesn't really know crap. I've tried the recommended stuff and totally not liked it more often than not. Let your hair do the talking - it's not getting a bonus for selling you products.

[Cpogie]

I just moved this post to the General Discussion thread.

[mood4amelody]

Yup, people are always telling me where to go!

Thank you for putting me in my place. Now I feel like I belong somewhere! :D

[mom2fussbudgets]

I've never heard that Pantene is bad for your hair! It's one of those frequent free-after-rebate shampoos at Walgreen's, so I use it a lot. I've never noticed anything bad about it.

I've heard that Dawn dishsoap is good for removing conditioner build up. What do you think?

I agree about the stylists. It's their job to sell those hair products, so it's hard to trust what they have to say.

[vealcalf]

OK I had to throw in my two cents:p I have naturally curly hair that's on the dry side and have tried to find the right balance between getting my hair clean and not stripping the natural beneficial oils. I found a website, www.naturallycurly.com and have to say it's helped me out tremendously. I've applied many of their ideas regarding shampooing less, conditioning more, and using curl friendly products (low sulfate and no silicones). I really see an improvement in my curl. Members also recommend store brands that are great for curly hair. This isn't for straight haired gals, but I'd recommend it to curly gals!!!!

[bvanpeltsw]

I've never heard that Pantene is bad for your hair! It's one of those frequent free-after-rebate shampoos at Walgreen's, so I use it a lot. I've never noticed anything bad about it.

I've heard that Dawn dishsoap is good for removing conditioner build up. What do you think?

I agree about the stylists. It's their job to sell those hair products, so it's hard to trust what they have to say.

My stylist doesn't sell products in her small salon and I have went to her for years. I cannot remember the ingredient that is in Pantene, but it has something to do with plasticity and alcohol. Ha if that makes any sense.

I do have to say that I use Pantene Clarifying Shampoo and I love it!

[Cpogie]

Here is the list of ingredients in both Pantene Shampoo and Conditioner...

Pantene Shampoo

Water, Ammonium Laureth Sulfate, Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate, Glycol Distearate, Cocamide MEA, Panthenol (Pantene Pro-Vitamin Complex), Panthenyl Ethyl Ether (Pantene Pro-Vitamin Complex), Lysine HCl (Pantene Amino Protein Complex), Methyl Tyrosinate HCL (Pantene Amino Protein Complex), Histidine (Pantene Amino Protein Complex), Dimethicone, Fragrance, Cetyl Alcohol, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Benzoate, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Disodium EDTA, Hydrogenated Polydecene, Trimethylolpropane Tricaprylate/Tricaprate, Citric Acid, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Ammonium Xylene-Sulfonate

Pantene conditioner

INGREDIENTS- water,cyclopentasilxone (silicone), steramidopropyl dimethlamine (cond.. agent). cetyl alcohol (fatty acid), quarterium-18, *pantenol (vit. B-5), *panthenyl ethy ether, *lysine hci,* methy tyrosinate hci, *histidine, stearyl alcohol (fatty acid) dimeticone (silicone), PEG-fatty acid2M, polysorbate-60, cetearyl alcohol, benzyl alcohol, oleyl alcohol (fatty acids/ thickeners) glyceryl stearate (slip agent) hydroxyethylcellulose (conditoning agent) fragrance, citric acid(preservative),EDTA, methlychloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazoline (preservatives) * Pantene's special provitamin blend

[mood4amelody]

OK I had to throw in my two cents:p I have naturally curly hair that's on the dry side and have tried to find the right balance between getting my hair clean and not stripping the natural beneficial oils. I found a website, www.naturallycurly.com and have to say it's helped me out tremendously. I've applied many of their ideas regarding shampooing less, conditioning more, and using curl friendly products (low sulfate and no silicones). I really see an improvement in my curl. Members also recommend store brands that are great for curly hair. This isn't for straight haired gals, but I'd recommend it to curly gals!!!!

Thanks for that link! I'm curly-ish, too, with variable frizzies. Too top it off, I'm getting gray hairs (that must be confused because they actually skipped gray and went straight for white) that look like corkscrews coming off my head. Anyway, I also like to use Infusiam leave in conditioner for the frizz and general dryness. It's pretty good stuff, Maynard.

[mood4amelody]

Pantene conditioner

INGREDIENTS- water,cyclopentasilxone (silicone), steramidopropyl dimethlamine (cond.. agent). cetyl alcohol (fatty acid), quarterium-18, *pantenol (vit. B-5), *panthenyl ethy ether, *lysine hci,* methy tyrosinate hci, *histidine, stearyl alcohol (fatty acid) dimeticone (silicone), PEG-fatty acid2M, polysorbate-60, cetearyl alcohol, benzyl alcohol, oleyl alcohol (fatty acids/ thickeners) glyceryl stearate (slip agent) hydroxyethylcellulose (conditoning agent) fragrance, citric acid(preservative),EDTA, methlychloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazoline (preservatives) * Pantene's special provitamin blend

Silicone is probably the one that the hair dresser didn't like. It's a valid point to some extent (I still use Pantene, anyway), but if you think about it, it's kind of silly to be worried about that when you are regularly putting in perms and doing hair color, what with their chemical popourri being all that it is. At least the Pantene smells good! :)

[notyard]

The success or failure of a conditioner depends on many factors. Water hardness, water temperature, washing and conditioning frequency, perms, coloring, heated hair appliance use, diet, hair structure, physical activity level, environment--so much comes into play with hair health--and we haven't even touched personal preferences in conditioner performance. So, don't take these ratings personally--they're just what I've found for my situation.

Situation: hard water, past bum length hair, wavy/curly, very thick, prone to mild frizziness in high humidity, no heat drying--allowed to air dry, daily washing and conditioning, no hairspray, no perms, no lightening, and no coloring

Good conditioners for me: Pantene Pro-V (especially Relaxed & Natural and Extra Liso formulas), Garnier Fructis (especially Sleek 'n Shine), L'Oreal Vive Pro, Bath and Body Works moisturizing conditioners, Queen Helene Cholesterol, St. Ives & Alberto VO5 hot oil treatments, Bain de Terre, Motions, Herbal Essences, Sunsilk, Citre Shine (leave in), Alberto VO5 Smoothing Souffle Frizz Defense Creme (leave in)

Not so good conditioners for me: Aussie (formula change or something--used to be really good for me), Alberto VO5 regular line products, Tresemme', Paul Mitchell, Dove, Suave, Breck

I listen to stylists, but also go by what my hair tells me--if it feels and looks shiny, smooth, and healthy, I'm happy. My daughter has thick, stick straight hair, and these "good for me" conditioners are generally too heavy for her, and would leave her hair flat. My husband has very oily hair, uses no conditioner, and shampoos with Dawn and Head & Shoulders. One stylist specifically recommended the Bain de Terre (BdT) for my hair. She trusted BdT for her daughter's hair which was also very thick and wavy. BdT contained one of the silicones, and it worked great for me. Another stylist in one of those salon/spa places recommended anything with the silicones--dimethicone, simethicone, amodimethicone, and so forth. They both had healthy hair, so I trusted their recommendations. Now, the one with the bleached brittle thin straw for hair, who recommended a flattening iron and hair spray--her I walked away from very quickly! :eek:

[Motherofthree]

Thanks for all the great info guys!!!:)